Вопрос истинным атеистам

[Gillette]

not neccesarily. it's true for any system, closed and open.

[notfirstnotlast]

not neccesarily. it's true for any system, closed and open.

The entropy of a local part of the universe can increase.

[Gillette]

Decrease you're trying to say.True. But can such a complex structure as a building, for instance,
rise from the ground due to that ? DNA is much more complex.

[notfirstnotlast]

Yes, decrease, of course.

"But can such a complex structure as a building, for instance,
rise from the ground due to that ?"
Yes, it can. But the process isn't instant. It takes a lot of time.

[Gillette]

exactly. and that decrease can take place only temporarily. That building will be destroyed before it had chance to form. You ever seen buidings complete with plumbing created by nature?

[notfirstnotlast]

That building will be destroyed before it had chance to form.

Why?

You ever seen buidings complete with plumbing created by nature?

Building is not a self-regulated system. So builing itself cannot rise. But something as complex can.

[Wаlsh code]

that's a very weak argument: "we will learn in the future". what are you going to learn? Disprove the laws of physics?

Just as one thousand years ago could not present the ground flat (yes scientists of those times), and you now, repeat the same and with physics.

[Gillette]

That building will be destroyed before it had chance to form.

Why?

You ever seen buidings complete with plumbing created by nature?

Building is not a self-regulated system. So builing itself cannot rise. But something as complex can.

why? According to the law of entropy.
give me an example of any complex system that "risen" by itself.

[Gillette]

that's a very weak argument: "we will learn in the future". what are you going to learn? Disprove the laws of physics?

Just as one thousand years ago could not present the ground flat (yes scientists of those times), and you now, repeat the same and with physics.

I already said: what we know today is enough to understand DNA couldn't just happen. It's science, not some religious views thousand years ago.

[notfirstnotlast]

why? According to the law of entropy.
give me an example of any complex system that "risen" by itself.

Why "itself"?